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immediate term. >> thomas two seconds. >> it will take a while, but we'll get there. >> all right. o enter "the war room" >> tonight, in the war room touchdown in kabul. president obama marks the one year anniversary of the death of osama bin laden by making a surprise visit to afghanistan. >> this time of war began in afghanistan, and this is where it will end. >> the politics, the planning and the purpose. an inside look at an historic trip marking an hist o anniversary, tonight in the war room. rsary. tonight nrkts war room. | [music] | ♪ >> i am jennifer granholm. welcome inside the war room. president obama did mark the
one-year anniversary of the death of osama bin laden with a surprise trip to afghanistan. but it was more than just a victory lap. the president and his afghanistan counter part hamid karzai established a framework for the u.s./afghanistan partnership after allied troops withdraw in 2014. >> our goal is to destroy al-qaeda, and we are on a path to do exactly that. aftergans afternoon /* afghans want a lasting peace. that requires a clear timeline to wind down the war. others will ask: why don't we leave immediately? that answer is also clear: we must give afghanistan the opportunity to stabilize. >> for more on the president's afghanistan surprise and its political i am politicians, i am joined by p j. crowley, the former assistant secretary of state for public affairs under
president obama. he comes to us from washington. p.j. welcome into the war room. >> hello, jennifer. >> let's just get right to it. what is your take on this agreement? is it something that in fact is going to help the president politically? >> well, let's separate those two things for a moment. this is a very important agreement. it's something that we sought in iraq and could not get. it's something we have done after every war. we still have military forces in japan, in europe in south korea, because after the war ends, there is still work to do. so this, you know, creates a path for the next 10 years. there will be military forces still in afghanistan, i think doing three things: continuing to help train afghanistan security forces. they will be in the lead. they will need to improve capability tease. they will attack the safe havens
that still exist in the frontier borders of pakistan. third, if there is a successful political negotiation between the karzai government and the taliban, there will need to be an honest broker there to make sure all live up to the political agreement. it's very important long-term missions and long-term purposes in this engagement that will last under this agreement for the next decade beyond 2014. >> the policy is good policy is what you are saying. in fact, it looks like the normal political critics have been fairly quiet about this. it seems like he has the -- the president has, through the department, has, in fact negotiated an agreement that looks like it's going to appease a lot of people. on the political side though i am curious because you have dealt with this do you think the white house is concerned it was looking like he was spiking
the football in the end zone as donald rumsfeld said? >> there is a fine line here certainly for any leader you have been through this, the real world doesn't stop for the election to go forward. if we were great great brittain where e elections happen in weeks but our election cycles are measured in years. any candidate for re-election gets to tell the voters what he or she has achieved during the time in. so clearly, the fact that he went to afghanistan to do something important but did it on may 1st, the anniversary of bin laden's demise obviously is about politics but we are now fully into the election cycle and the president is going to make his case that he has real national security aachievements to go along with the economic progress we have seen in recent months.
>> p.j. tell us how long does it take to negotiate a bilateral agreement like this? how long has this been in the offing? >> well, this has been something that's been in the planning for, you know, many years. actually, it's a tribute, both to the american side and the afghanistan side that we have come to this point despite all of the unfortunate and tribulation tribulationic events of the past few months. all of these things, going back to the friendly fire incident with pakistani soldiers late last year, the marine corps video, the karan burning episode, the bale shooting and american soldiers mugging with dead taliban fighters. all of these things could have seen the floor drop out of public support. and, in fact, here on this side, there has been a dramatic decline in public support for the ongoing princess in afghanistan.
that said, the two countries have seen this through. it's a very important document from a strategic standpoint and from a political standpoint. it's really al deal. >> let's take a license to a sound byte from mitt romney this morning where he is calling president obama, you know, having politicized the death of osama bin laden. >> of course i would have taken exactly the same decision. the idea to try to politicize this and say, i president obama would have done it one way mitt romney would have done it another is disappointing. let's not make the capture and killing of osama bin laden a political event. >> he was referring to the commercial that came out and that president clinton was in. but the reality is: wouldn't mitt romney be doing something similar if the shoe was on the other foot? >> you know, i can't speak?
i think he has a point that there is -- of course, i think there is a fine line between scoring points and spiking the ball. absolutely. and that, obviously, the voters will get to decide. you know, but clearly the president's not going to shy away from, you know, putting forward his national security record over the past three and a half years as being a core part of his re-election campaign. >> finally because i know that you have been on a number of these missions, just for the viewers, who want to know what that's like, can you describe a little bit about what goes into the planning and execution of a surprise visit like this in the dark? >> well, it's something that president obama has done. it's something that president bush, you know, before him has done. and it's unsettling because you would like, you know, these kinds of circumstances where you have had military success to do this above board, not do this in the middle of the night but the president is coming in to a --
literally, a war zone. and, obviously, these are top-secret activities. the media gets to cooperate. obviously, they are back of the plane covering the president's visit. they are not allowed to talk about this you know until the plane lands, the president is safe and the lid is pulled off. but nonetheless, it's vitaly important. this had political significance not just here in the united states but, also within afghanistan. you know, being able to come to president karzai, sign this agreement, show the afghan people that the united states is going to, you know, remain engaged in the region and, also send a compelling message to other neighbors who have metalled in afghan affairs but pakistan, you know, next door, that the united states is going to be hear and it's going to try to continue to help afghanistanyou know, next door, that the united states is going to be hear and it's going to try to continue to help afghanistan.
>> thank you p.j. crawley forker assistant of state for public affairs. the president's announced trip comes four days before he officially kicks off his re-election campaign. here to discuss the strategic interest of the trip and, perhaps, a little bit of politics, too, is michael knott, the assistant secretary of defense for global strategic affairs in the obama administration now and then a prevention-off of public policy, former dean of the goldman school. michael, thank you so much. professor, doctor, thank you for joining us inside the war room. you heard what p.j. crowley said about the agreement. do you agree with the three goals that you think were identified in that? and how important is the strategic interest of that agreement for the united states? >> i think he, you know, clear lee has laid out a game plan to increase stability in afghanistan which is clearly in the interest of the united states to preclude it from
becoming a base of operations for attack against nato or the u.s. secondly, it's to also tell the pakistanis that we are going to stay in the region. the pakistanis are constantly concerned we flit in and out the statement to pakistan that we are going to be there. >> that's important. >> why is that importantly? >> at the moment u.s.-pakistan relations are at a low ebb for a number of reasons for the violation of sovereignty when bin laden was taken out. >> this says what? >> we are going to be there and we want to also sustain and improve our relationship with them. they have major, many problems. they have large numbers of taliban in pakistan seeking to disrupt the pakistani government. they have threats to their nuclear weapons and the security of those weapons. >> in a sense, i mean this agreement is really the beginning of the end of the war and of a long-term stable relationship. >> it's an attempt to do it.
i mean this is a very long tough road, and there have been a lot of twists and turns. and obviously, it's been difficult to work with the karzai government on this. >> yeah. >> it's a step forward. >> this is a political show of course. our viewers want to know the political ramification. there has been a lot of discussion about this today. you have taken a look at mitt romney's foreign policy issue papers. what do you think that he would have done differently if anything? >> he has, i think a limited plan of attack here against the president. i mean what he has said and probably will say again that will on the one hand, the president is accelerating the withdrawal from afghanistan faster than the military commanders in the field suggested. he has also -- >> 10 years is quicker than they would have liked? >> just to get out by 2014. >> riot military commanders did not fully support that but they saluted and said yes, sir. secondly, they are going to say or mitt romney will say that the whole way in which we are setting a deadline is
disadvantageous to us because it tells the enemy, the taliban, once 214 comes they will have more opportunity. >> and would say i wouldn't have stayed as long which would have engaged us for a much longer period of time. >> on the other hand, he is not going to push that too far because now the overwhelming public sentiment of the country. >> right. >> including the majority of republicans sentiment is to get out. >> yeah. >> he is not going to make a big deal of t i think he is likely to side step the issue other than to say that the president is not taking the advice of his military commanders and sort of leave it at that. >> isn't it true that this issue of politics and policy has been inter -- braided together in administrations as long as we can remember? >> of course. they were always inter connected. there is also a political i
know know. >> let us not forgive president bush with "mission accomplished" mind him. >> absolutely. on the other hand, the president, he is a prudent man. it is a sort of middle of the road, which tends to be somewhat of his style. it's -- >> mitt romney? >> no. the president. >> he needed today actually set a deadline to basically tell the afghan governments after this time, you really have to take control of your security which is going to be tough for them to do. but without any deadline, it's an indefinite american commitment and a relaxation of the afghan efforts. >> you made an interesting comments about afghanistan. mitt romney said he would have been hesitant to -- he said this previously, that he would have been hesitant to go into into ally. is this something that it was really difficult call for the
president to make? people are assuming it was so easy. >> no. no. this is a very difficult call. this is what they call high-risk/high-reward. now, we know of course in recently commentary by peter berg and graham alison that secretary gates and cartwright and vice president of biden all opposed not necessarily the attack but the form of the attack putting boots on the ground, having two helicopters come in with these special forces, the seals to take them out. >> right. right. >> so it was a very risky proposition, but the president wanted to make -- he wanted today have 100% certainty which it was bin laden because it was not certain. they didn't know i was there. they wanted today make sure the job was there. not by some sort of technological gimmick. >> amazing, david. >> yes. >> brilliant. >> the important thing that's left undon is al-qaeda al-qaeda has been terribly weaken the
first by george w. bush but much more so by president obama but the taliban, in afghanistan, have not been weakened sufficiently. they remain a formidable force, particularly pocket of the country. >> another important reason to have the agreement. professor nacht, professor michael nacht, former assistant secretary of defense for global strategic affairs. coming up next a surprise visit, a landmark announcement. but how difficult will it be to keep today's roadmap on the rails in afghanistan? we are going to tackle that after the break. later, they may have lost the news cycle but the occupy movement has actually gained momentum protestsraged across the country treed today. we will have the latest. we are getting started. we want you to connect with us. join the discuss on our facebook face and click the like us button. we will be right back.
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>> neither americans or the afghan people asked for this war. we stood together. with the signing of this strategic partnership agreement we look forward to a future of peace. today, we are agreeing to be long-term partners. >> back inside the war room. i am jennifer gran home. that was president obama announcing what role the u.s. will play in that country when the troops withdraw in 2014. for more on how it will play out for the people of afghanistan and our troops is omar samad ambassador to france and canada and he comes to us from washington. welcome into the war room. >> thank you. good evening. >> good evening. and so how from your perspective, how is this
agreement going to play out in afghanistan? how do the people in afghanistan view this agreement 1234. >> i think when they wake up this morning or tomorrow morning our time they will probably have a sigh of relief and aftergans will be happy to here that this has been finally, signed. you know they have been working on this for more than 18 months and they have gone through many different versions of this agreement but what is important is that the united states has sent a signal to the afghan people that they will draw down to a minimum that is required in order to combat terrorism and to train afghans beyond 2014, and that time frame is about another 10 years or so. but it's not just about fighting. it's not just about the security situation. it's also a commitment to help afghanistan on the social and economic development side as well as with goffvernance and
democracy building and i think those sometimes are forgotten or thought of as secondary issues. but they are as critical as the first ones. >> often, they are. but that means for those who are listening, that means the united states will be continuing to i know invest dollars in afghanistan. do you have any idea what the scope of that investment is going to be? >> the scope of that investment beyond 2014 is going to be comparatively miniscule to what has been and continues to be spent now. we don't have figures, and the figures will have to come as a result of what your congress will decide beyond 2014 on a yearly basis. but what we do know is that the afghans, for example, army and police will require more or less $4,000,000,000 a year. but not all of that is expected to come from the united states. others have to pitch in also.
as you know, all of nato is in afghanistan today. there are more than 50 kuntz trees with troops and contributions to afghanistan and more than 60 countries plus international organizations helping afghanistan with civilians and social development. it's a huge undertaking. but beyond 2014, the scale is going to dimintissue tram tremendously to something that is much moring manageable. >> so president karzai and president obama can come up with an agreement but that doesn't mean that the taliban is going to follow along. how does that affect intersect with this agreement? >> absolutely correct. the taliban so far has not greed to anything. they have not greed to talk about talks and then suspended it. the taliban are notorious for trying to gain time and use time to their anddvantage and wage war
at the same time while we want to reconcile and say anyone who is ready to come and participate in a democratic modernizing afghanistan is welcome. the game plan, of course the problems exist not so much within afghanistan but at the regional level. the key to unlocking the prospects for peace really lay -- lie in pakistan and in the fact that sankuaries continue to help and harbor taliban and other groupsctuaries continue to help and harbor taliban and other groups. pakebusch has a big decision to made. president obama was clear and also saying there is a consention sus internationally that they would like to see peace and stability in south asia and that afghanistan, the sovereign country, pakistan should respect afghanistan's sovereignty. all messages were sent as part
of this speech and i believe that had he hopefully will be heard across the board. >> well, mr. ambassador, it's very interesting development. i really appreciate you coming inside the war room to explain from the afghanistan side. thank you very much. former afghanistan ambassador to france and canada, omar sahad. coming up: so how did mitt romney spend his day? exactly. we will look at how the power of the presidency can force its will on the campaign trail. you are in the war room and it's only on current tv. now let's hear yours. >>the war room needs your help. >>the only online forum with a direct line to jennifer granholm. >>our goal is to bring you behind the scenes with access to& stories that you've never seen before. >>politicallydirect.com join the debate now. [ mocking tone ] i'm ms. brown. i'm soooo chocolatey. i'm giving away
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>> one year ago, from base hereinafter beganstan, our troops launched the operation that killed osama bin laden. the goal that i set to defeat al-qaeda al-qaeda and deny it a chance to rebuild is now within our reach. >> that was president obama speaking tonight from bagrum air bass on the anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. while the president was en route, the man who wants his job was on cbs offering up a fresh batch of criticism. >> i think it was very disappointing for the president to try and make this a political
item by suggesting that i wouldn't have ordered such -- such a raid. of course, i would have. any -- any -- any american, any thinking american, would have organized exactly the same thing. >> a fewer hours later, romney tried to clarify his 4-year-old criticism of then candidate obama's stanchion about entering pakistan. take a license. >> there are many people who believe i did it was naive on the part of the president at that time, a candidate, to say he would go into pakistan. it was a very if you will fragile and flammable time in pakistan and i thought it was a mistake of him as a candidate for the presidency of the united states to announce he would go in. >> so interesting. joining me to dive into how today's events across the world could play into the presidential election is donny fowler who has worked on the presidential cam pangs of clinton gore, kerriykerry, obama. also, rob stutzmedicalan the republican strategist who served
arnold schwarzenegger and worked in his whole share of political stuff, himself. let me start with you donny, though: is there any way that you can discuss bin laden's death without the other side saying that it's a political effort effort? >> apparently not. the republicans are angry because they felt an entitlement on leading with national security for so long and they have sort of like spoiled children had their toys taken away. this president has stood up strong on military on national security. he has a track record, and he's running on it. >> brad? >> well, the obama campaign politicized it. when he announced he had given the order and initial success when osama was dead that was a great accomplishment especially the military intelligence agencies. today is another example of good
news. what campaign does with it can cheapen it. that's what chicago and the obama campaign did when they over politicized the bin laden. >> it's never been done by republicans before? >> that's not -- >> that's not the issue. >> it's. >> it's been done by every sxhand command never chief. >> i don't think that overtly, though. >> when you can't argue with someone on the merits, don't worry because you can call them names like politicians and politicize. it's the last refuge here is to say that we can't argue with the president on the merits, let's accuse him of being a politician in an election year. >> this campaign, it's a shared accomplishment. it's the shared accomplishment of a 10-year effort by the united states, agencies of a prior administration that happened to be led by republicans. >> bush was talking about it, too. >> and clinton took a shot at
him, too. >> it goes back a long time to try to get this guy. >> he had a history of bi-partisan foreign policy and we need to stick with it. we needed today stick with it except for the iraq war under bush. this was a joint victory by u.s. troops and by several. >> i thought mccain did a really nice job today. >> yes. >> absolutely. saying that he supports the agreement. the agreement was some that he had worked on and lindsay graham had worked on and all of that. all of that's good. >> it takes a village. >> i hope there is not a obama web. >> if it were bush karl rove would be all over it. >> for obama, we haven't been talking about the economy for the last 48 hours. >> that's not a bad thing for the president to talk about either. >> i'm sorry. yeah. you see those manufacturing report numbers out today? the dow, a record high. i am just saying. >> look at the swing states' economy, i think it's something
he doesn't want. >> i think obama's white house and the obama campaign are ready to talk about mitt romney's plans for the americans economy. >> i think either way, it's not a bad thing for the obama administration. i am interested, though, today because i think it was a brilliant -- it was just brilliant in many ways. great policy, makes good politics as we know. and this was really terrific. but u.s. troops scheduled to leave in 2014, this u.s.a. today gallup poll released in march shows 54% of independent voters want the u.s. to speed up with the drawl and only 18% say that we should stay until the goals are accomplished whenever that is. so it tells you, both on the politics side and on the policy side, it's a good move to get this, to have this beginning of the end. what do you think? let me do this quickly. we are running out of time and i am talking too much. what do you think about mitt romney being quiet today? >> this is why it's better to be police department. >> we talked about this in the green room. who would you rather be?
the president because you control the news. just the process of being president of the united states is always going to be more commanding than being the challenger. global rose garden. i might steal that later. >> all yours. >> thank you. >> beside what mitt romney said this morning before anybody knew that the president was headed to afghanistan, the tradition is that you don't criticize the president when he is out of the country. and after that happened, he sort of went dark. >> right. >> i thought that was smart politics. i will give him a tip of theha hat. >> smart plinks is the right thing to do. >> it is the right thing to do. when i was watching the president talking to the troops as somebody who has been commander in chief of the national guard, i got chills. i thought, this is really an important thing for the troops to hear, their commander in chief coming over there, you know, in less than a 24-hour period, all under darkness to tell them that this is the beginning of the end of the war and to thank them. >> and that what they have done
matters. >> what they have done matters. exactly. thank you guys donny fowler and rob stutzmedicalan. next, it was a day of protests around the country and it got ugly. look inside the occupy movement's spring offensive which is starting next on the war room. don't go away. it takes people with real knowledge to build and maintain a race car. plastics, math and science? you bet it is. many kids don't understand how important these subjects can be that's why time warner cable developed connect a million minds. to introduce kids in our communities to the opportunities that inspire them to develop these important skills. how can my car go faster? maybe your child will figure it out. find out more at connectamillionminds.com
anniversary of osama bid ladens death. but when workers poured onto the streets of chicago and an 8 hour workday. that laid the groundwork for america's labor movement. today from barcelona to man illa, workers turned out to push for economic e qualitiesty. in the u.s., occupy groups joined unions in may day events and one of the largest was in new york where thousands marched
down broadway to wall street. union members led the charge followed by occupy protesters. six people were reportedly arrested and on the opposite coast, violence also flared in oakland. police used tear gas and bat ons to disperse several hundreds. at least four arrests have been reported there. this likely is not over yet. joining me now from new york to talk about how the occupy movement is shaping the national conversation is todd get land at columbia university. he is also the author of "ongccupy nation: the roots, the spirit and the promise of occupy wall street." so thank you professor, for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> all right. so i want to get to some of the events from today because occupy oakland actually tweeted a photograph of a tank rolling down the streets of oakland. and i am wondering if from your
perspective the seeming mil militarization of the police forces after 9-11, has contributed to the violence that has surrounded, that made it more violent that we might have seen otherwise? >> without a question. the police in many cities have been throwing down the gauntlet. they have all of this equipment they bought for homeland security money. and they unfortunately are -- and with the ab lucien of the-- ablution of the mayors, they are treating it as a police problem. >> that's short-sighted. i think it's in flagrant disregard of the first amendment, the part that speaks to the right of the people to peaceably asemblye. it's not something we should be proud of in this country. >> what do you do if you are a mayor of a city and you have got people occupying the public
space in some way, shape, or form for days, months and it ultimately becomes potentially a health problem? what do you do about that? >> well you have health laws to deal with it bev. the first andment is explicit: congress shall make no law that abridges the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for redress of grief applications. >> that's one of the major projects of the american revolution. so i think the state has to show very good reason why there is a danger and why there is a potential violation. and, you know, when you have a lot of people getting together to look to each other and argue and discuss what to do and what they want and so on, that's the height of the democratic ideal. i think, you know, you need a very, very high standard to go against that. and i don't see it. >> today, today, of course there was, you know, protests across the country, some bigger
some smaller. if this was a test of occupy's staying power, do you think that it had that impact? >> yeah. i think actually, these, the numbers that turned out at least in new york were at the high end of numbers that showed up at any point in the fall. and, you know, given the fact that occupy doesn't have a central place any more, it's clearly quite dispersed, i think they would have to say it's a success. they are out of high bernation. they got out of the cave. they tried to do a lot of things, many strokes for many folks folks. what that is anybody's guest. >> the next question, of course: what is that next step? i am interested at the coalescing between the occupy movement and the labor movement. there seems to be some interesting synergy there.
>> we saw it already in the fall fall, a higher degree of collaboration. and, you know, they are not all the same. i mean the heart of the occupy movement is more militant and more an arkansasist and the labor movement is more orderly and more tied in to the centers of power. but they have to work out, i think, a way of living together. they have to work out a collaborative relationship because if we are going to speak of the 99% as a metaphor, that's more than either one much those parties. >> for sure. >> they have to go to the dance together. >> for sure. do you think this -- quickly, do you think the economic recovery that is apparently starting will have an impact on the occupy movement? does it take away some of its teeth? >> i very much doubt it. you know, the power, the rise in the power of the plutocrats has
been taking place for decades. millions of people were foreclosed on. millions of people out of work or part-time work when they want full-time work. you know a trillion dollars in student loans, these are -- these are big bolders that have been rolling for a long time. i don't think the immediate improvements will really hinder it. >> well, i really appreciate you coming in to the war room and writing the book and getting this whole thing going. >> that's todd gittland professionor at columbia university. next, we get the pulse of today's protests from someone who was on the ground, and later, brett er lick beats a dead horse again. >> coming up newt gingrich has yesterday another announcements that he is going to make yet another announcement. don't go away. in a whole new way. using real-time photo sharing abilities, they can create and maintain high standards
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>> today is may day. protesters poured onto the streets from tore often the 0 to san palo today to mark the event. how are workers fairing in this country? in short not well. let's take a closer look. first of all, can you believe this statisticsing? the top 400 wealthiest americans have more wealth than the bomb 150 million americans. that is a problem. this tells you where all of the gains have gone. in 2009 to 2010, 93% of the gains of wealth went to the top 1%. 93%. 7% went to the bottom 99%. we have rising income disparity. one of the reasons is because when union membership declines
middle classes income also declines. there is a direct correlation based upon the work of the union movement that we have had a good middle classes in this country. now, joining me here in the war room, to talk about that and the state of the labor movement is clarence thomas. not that clarence thomas. member of the international longshore and warehouse union and co-chair of the million worker march. thank you so much for joining me here. >> thank you so much for having me, governor. it's not very often that working-class people get a chance to speak in their own name and i just want to say up front that i am not speaking for the union, although i have held -- >> leadership positions >> positions of leadership and i have been a member of the local longshore union. >> you are speak okay behalf of millions who might not otherwise get to talk.
>> absolutely. >> let's talk about the state of the american labor movement. can you just give me a sense and a snapshot of where you think it's at? >> i think first of all, we need to be very clear about something, that there is only about 7% of the private sector that's unionized. and that's the lowest that it's been since 1900. sot that really sums up how we are doing. the graphic that you showed also explains. but i think -- but i think that we have 5 million people under employed or unemployed. we have young people facing $1 trillion in debt. we find that it's becoming more difficult to send our children to college because we don't make living wages. attacks on social security attacks on our health care and even when president obama attempted to put forward an alternative to the current
health care situation that we have. >> a single-pair system? >> yes. there was no public option. >> yeah. >> so we need medicare for all in my opinion. but i think that one of the things that's lacking -- >> i am giving you a high five on that. >> thank you. i thought you might want me to stop talking. >> no. i am telling you i am with you all the way. >> but i think that we can learn some lessons from the past and this is may day and one of the things that may day has taught us is that working people need to be able to have class and dependents. >> what do you mean by that? >> we did not the get the 8-hour workday through legislative measures. we got that through direct action. and wigot that through the use of the general strike because that's been one of the ways in which working people have been -- that have been able to gain concessions from capitol is by withholding our labor. today, iow local 10 did not work for eight hours in observe
answer of international workers day which afforded our members to be able to have a union meeting as well as to get on the picket line and work in solidarity with other unions like the nurses and others. >> so clarence, what do you say? we are in a global economy now. >> yes. >> you know what the arguments all are that these businesses can go to other places and do it much cheaper and they don't have to work -- deal with the hassle of the unionized work force. how do you respond to that? when he we do know capitol is emotional now and that -- mobile now and in the manufacturing side, we are seeing stuff moving elsewhere? how do you reconcile having good management/labor relationships here in the united states? >> well, you know, i think fundamentally we are dealing with some moral questions here. res it is working people that grow the food, that pick the food that prepare the food. in my industry we are
responsible for moving international cargo. the commerce of the world passes through our hands. we are not only the muscle, but we are also the brain in making this economy go. but we don't get rewarded. and so when you hear things like a jobless economic recovery what does that mean? does that mean that the people who can invest get all of the brakes and those of us do the labor cannot? and i think that's not right. so one of the things that the labor movement needs to do, in my opinion is the same thing that captol capital does. we need to connect with workers globally and act in solidarity. in of our employers in the longshore industry are around the world. >> we should adopt trading agreements that enable that to happen so that we don't do trade with partners who don't have the
same rules that we have. >> absolutely. we believe in trade that's going to benefit the community. >> just real quick, just real quick, you were out there today. did it go well? >> yes. >> you were on the ground? >> although there were some things that we did not like from the oakland police department but that's not anything new either. % >> right. i understand. i understand. thank you so much for joining us us. >> thank you for having me. >> slarns thomas member of the international longshore and warehouse union and the co-chair of the million worker march. up next, the country may have had its fill of newt gingrich but brett erlich has not. this is the war room and it's only on current tv. ♪
explains. >> remember how last week gingrich anowppeded he would anowps he is going to end his campaign. today he announced his campaign is ending tomorrow. i have an announcement. he love announcements. >> i will be suspending the campaign as part of a precedent. >> i just thought your whole campaign was a desdent. that's why you are not quitting today, you didn't want to be over shadowed by the bin laden anniversary or protests or taco tuesday. >> your help is vital. two and a half million voters. >> that's almost exactly one voter for every $2 in campaign you have. what strikes me most about the videoy is how personal he tries to make. >> i wanted to thank you personally. >> but i didn't do anything for you. i just kind of waited until you said weird stuff like this.
>> we will have the first permanent race on the moon and it will be america. >> and then i go you're ridiculous. your wife makes me feel ill at ease but i accept your gratitude and i offer these jokes i didn't get to use while you are running. what is the difference 15 newt newt and voldemort? voldemort is the evil pale face sorcer who doesn't have a nose. the event was even attended by her parents and a falson. it was difficult growing up with a head that big if someone missed with a spit ball it would orbit his craneium. thanks for the memories. while i'm done talking something tells me you're not. >> oh, brett. thanks for joining us here in the war room. someone is always in our war room. check us out on-line